Good points, thanks. So I will just leave them in the template1 as per my installations instructions. It is just causing (not to be concerned of) errors when you load a dumpfile into a freshly created database (which is based on template1) as the basic tables already exist. But well, that is the downside of the convenience not to have them to load after createdb (which might actually be on a different remote server). Thanks for the quick reply.